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There is a saying I have heard often, which goes something like this, The Scriptures make it quite clear that these practices are contrary to the way of the Lord(YHWH). Like you mentioned, allowing God to guide you away from false teachings. To find a group near you go to group finder on our web page:. Love that has no price tag. Happy are those who know they are spiritutally poor. I know it would offend the people in the program if I were to discount or question it or say my discomfort. John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Wilson was also not shy in expressing how he felt about Jesus/Yeshua Christ. Pastor John was never content just to save souls. However, you can pat yourself on the back for making it . First Baptist Church of Arnold (10.7 mi) 2012 Missouri State Road, Arnold, Missouri 63010 United States. 25 years ago, Saddleback Church launched Celebrate Recovery with 43 people. According to the Scriptures Alcoholism is defined as drunkeness, so if you profess to be an alcoholic, or once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, then you are stating to be a perpetual drunkard. Celebrate Recovery Bible by Zondervan Staff (2007, Hardcover) (4) $9.99. 2) We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Baker is survived by his wife and Celebrate Recovery cofounder, Cheryl; children Johnny and Jeni Baker and Laura and Brian Gibney; and their grandchildren. Roadblocks of indifference and prejudice. Every week we state that we make decisions based on the truth. My grandfather passed before I was born, so while I did not know him, I was told he was an alcoholic and was involved in AA. He wrote out a vision for what would become Celebrate Recoverys own version of the 12 steps, each one paired with a teaching from Scripture, and shared it with Rick Warren back in 1991. The program seems to tip-toe around sin and evil instead of calling it out as such. The phrase do not throw out the baby with the bathwater, with regards to programs and practices like AA/CR, is overriding several biblical commands to come away from such. During the times of Yeshua and the disciples, there was no need of recovery groups or reliance on a 12 step program, when they had the Word of God, and His Spirit. He wanted a specifically Christian addiction recovery group, so with the support of Rick Warren, Celebrate Recovery began as a ministry of Saddleback Church under Bakers leadership in 1990. The actual definition given to Sober-minded means to abstain from wine. It is like taking a pile of poop, and placing the Bible on top. Never believe one persons opinion about something. After I spoke, the atmosphere was so thick, you could have cut it with a knife. Dangers of self-sufficiency. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Every meeting, except my last, I was always led to open my Word and read directly from it. So if I forgive God, then that makes Him limited and also makes mistakes? Many seem to believe that as long as something appears good, and that someone is helped that it must be of God, when this is simply not true; while He can draw His own creation to Him, in whatever circumstance they are in, this does not mean that it is His perfect will for them to continue on in what they are doing or involved in. The one woman though, who had praised Jesus, wanted me to stay and chat with her for a little while. It is for anyone who has a "hurt, hang-up, or habit" within the community at large or our own church body - not restricted to only people struggling with an addiction. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. While also providing a witness and a rebuke to the women leaders or the womens group, as it was preaching different gospel, and a different Jesus/Yeshua. AA/NA holds people in bondage, making them think they are free. Those who profess to be a believer in Jesus/Yeshua should repent of any and all involvement, and get rid of any material associated, to include: books, chips, manuals, etc. Celebrate Recovery is a ministry committed to seeing lives changed and healed through Christ. Why must every A.A. hit bottom? This is also used in such other passages like: 1 Peter 5:8Be sober-minded and alert. As you can probably imaginethings did not go well for me after that. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 1. We have also been to Indonesia twice . (Pgs 8-9). Recovery signals a dramatic shift in the expectation for positive outcomes for individuals who experience mental and substance use conditions or the co-occurring of the two. I needed to see this. 4. Throughout scripture, Yeshua/Jesus tells us to not be deceived, and in order to obey that command, we have to be willing to test the practices, programs and doctrines we have accepted into our lives. 4 Thirty years ago John Baker turned the ruins of his life over to Jesus Christ and God transformed him from a driven businessman with an addiction to alcohol, a failing marriage, and alienated children to a Christ-follower with a passion to help others with their hurts, habits, and hang-ups through the principles of recovery, wrote Kay Warren, cofounder of Saddleback Church and a mental health advocate. Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? Mark 14:38 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. I was also told that alcoholism is a disease, and that once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. The topical groups vary by site, and some. The only way for that to happen is through repentance of these programs/doctrines. When I was in rehab, a young girl left AMA and a few people and counselors had no hope for her because she wanted to immerse herself in God and leave what didnt work for her. In such ways we want them to get sober in any way that works for them so not to affect others. Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine? Wow. Believing you are finally cured of your addiction. We have all been lied to or deceived on some level or another, however once we know the truth, we are held accountable and can no longer hide under the mercy of the Father while we were in ignorance. Lost faith found in A.A. Romans 7:18. Step 12, not only speaks of New Age enlightenment, but blasphemes the true free gift, that of salvation, as well as the responsibility for a believer to share and take the gospel message to all, not the AA message. Anything that impairs your mind, will also affect your spiritual wellbeing, and can lead into sinful choices. 3525 nph properly, to be sober (not drunk), not intoxicated; (figuratively) free from illusion, i.e. Thank you for sharing. 2 Corinthians 6:14-16 If so, then I challenge you to put your emotions aside from the program, and dig into the Word. 3. 20 years ago, Saddleback Church launched Celebrate Recovery with 43 people. Much love to you Kellie and your endeavors . The Scriptures and the true gospel of salvation are very different then an all inclusive faith, of which all ways are acceptable. However, I have a slightly different view. 11AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.(KJV). 7Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD(YHWH) your God. (KJV), 1 John 2:22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? So, now what about the 12 steps? This is why I stress within my blog that this is leading people to accept a different gospel. It is for people with hurts, habits and hangups they simply cannot overcome in their own strength. Celebrate Recovery (CR) is a national, Christ-centered self-help program hosted by local churches to help people struggling with addiction or other life-controlling issues. You made some really good points. 6 Mar 2015. (Pg 5), Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.What can we believe in? Blessings! There was initially some resistance, as I have witnessed with so many others, as this becomes a crucial point for many, as they take that step in obedience. apearlinthevineyard.com, 2018. Now in over 35,000 churches. How should a Christian view alcoholics? Modesty of the HeartWhere is your Treasure? Im going through something similar at my job. Gender-specific Groups meet for issues with anger, co-dependency, chemical addiction food addictions, sexual integrity, survivors of abuse, grief, and life issues. Right relation to God. Once those who were fully crucified with Christ, and their passions and desires of the flesh, they too were set free from drunkenness. Being a light, means exposing the darkness, not partaking in it, otherwise that light itself would become dark: Luke 11:33No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light. I was rejected by all those whom I shared the truth within CR that day, and I understood that would happen, because of what the Father had sent me to do. I was a facilitator for CR at my church. Dishonesty in recovery is dangerous because: It is a common relapse trigger. Having said that, this review (completed largely with the help of Matthew Mumma) will demonstrate that CR contains two major problems: (1) Though claiming to be biblically based, its teachings are often constructed from a misuse of Scripture and an erroneous hermeneutic. This was actually the point of my blog post. Thanks for your post. This program is not something that you complete and then all of sudden, Hey, Im better. 1 Peter 1:13Therefore prepare your minds for action. Celebrate Recovery founder John Baker, who turned his testimony recovering from alcoholism into a biblical 12-step program used by more than 7 million people, died unexpectedly on Tuesday at age 72. There were many practices/beliefs that I was led to not partake in. (KJV), Deuteronomy 18:10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. Celebrate Recovery IS: A safe place to share; A place of refuge; A place of belonging; A place to care for others and be cared for; A place where respect is given to each member; A place where confidentiality is highly regarded; A place to learn; A place to demonstrate genuine love; A place to grow and become strong again; A place for progress It is a bafflement that many professing believers would condone and endorse such a program knowing the full thoughts, intentions, and beliefs of AA and its origins. Baker went on to study at Golden Gate Baptist Seminary and serve at Saddleback as volunteer, staff member, pastor, and elder as Celebrate Recovery grew across denominations and ministry networks. Celebrate Recovery has moved to Community of Hope Church on Thursdays at 6:15PM. Here are ten common situations that are very dangerous to a person in recovery. Readiness to receive free gift lies in practice of Twelve Steps. They didnt attend any program, they just hit their rock bottom which is only decided by the individual suffering addiction. The loss of a sense of brotherhood and the loss of being part of something important and bigger than myself can lead to feelings of frustration, isolation, emptiness, boredom, anger, or loneliness. The atmosphere had changed, and I could sense the Spirit strong with me, and guided my every step. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. So, below I have steps 1-3, and 12, all of which were quoted directly from 12-Steps and 12-Traditions. Even if you do not believe God or His Word, consider this from the view of simple logic: how can a behavioral choice be a disease? A.A. teaches that alcoholism is a disease for which there is no ultimate cure. It's important to realize relapse is more of a process as opposed to a mere lapse in judgment. 3 ; Recognize that Im not God. When I was very young in my faith and had little discernment into things and practices I was doing, I had gone to get a different kind of massage called a chakra massage. For myself, I had adopted those parts which seemed convenient and not too difficult; the rest I disregarded. (Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book, pg.11). Life after the Military does not always make sense. It was still a deep tissue massage, which helped me to relax, and relive my sore muscles, however, I was engaging in a practice that is contrary to biblical practices. This was a situation that I had never planned myself but was led through the Holy Spirit to go through and then lead others into the truths pertaining to these programs. Elena, yes, thank you. (Pgs 8-9). I appreciate you sharing your insight and the leading of the Lord that you have followed without wavering. God is good, all the time. SPEAK TO SOMEONE TODAY. Forty years sober in AA.Yes,I believe everything you said about both programs.I Am a Believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. III. It is so deceptive and the transforming supernatural power of the Holy Spirit is not acknowledged but rather working on the 12 steps and how the steps helps us get out of our hurts, habits, and hang ups. We become free from our addictive, compulsive, and dysfunctional behaviors. That is what is so amazing about God. I hope you consider and pray on the things I have brought up, and really examine this program to see if it truly aligns with the word of God. This very much includes programs like AA/CR which do not have a grounding in the Bible at all. Any spiritual experience that is not vetted through the written word, and the Spirit of Truth, could lead a person down a path of destruction. John was a great leader, and he will be greatly missed, but the impact of his faithful obedience will go on for generations, Ackerman wrote in tribute. Your email address will not be published. A.A. does not demand belief; Twelve Steps are only suggestions. His efforts to make amends to his wife, Cheryl, as part of the 12 steps led to him attending Saddleback Church with her, hearing Rick Warren preach, and renewing their marriage vows in a span of months. Whatever my point of willingness to believe and have faith to walk in and with him is where he meets me. The Dangers of Dishonesty in Recovery. BE SOBER-MINDED. Prison Fellowship president James J. Ackerman collaborated with Baker to add Celebrate Recovery Inside to its curricula. One of my last few meetings, the Spirit had come upon me so strong during my 5 minutes(we were only ever allowed to speak for 5 minutes) of talking that I exposed and rebuked the lie of Alcoholism being a disease, confronting it as the sin of drunkenness, that the saying once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic is a lie from the pit of hell, and that the the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ can set us free from all bondage, and that His Word says that we no longer need to be identified with our sin, once it has been repented and been crucified with Christ. With maturity comes discernment, and with discernment comes an understanding that just because something may have been beneficial, or helpful, does not mean that it is sanctioned by God. We will all stand before the judgement seat of the Lord, and give an account of our lives. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I love hearing peoples stories and the work God has done through the cross and his saving grace in others lives. However, unlike negative energy that simply attaches itself and hovers over us like a dark cloud, energetic parasites feed on our energy. Celebrate Recovery is a biblical and balanced program that helps us overcome our hurts, hang-ups, and habits. The lead woman was not there, and Yah instructed me where I needed to sit. The Celebrate Recovery Bible on Kindle, iBooks and Nook are also approved curriculum. Dangers of Celebratory Occasions in Recovery Most people in recovery will be prepared for their sobriety to be tested when times are hard. It also anti-christ as it denies Yeshua/Jesus as the Only Way(1 Joh 2:22-23, Joh 14:6). Thank you for your obedience. Luke 12:47And that servant, which knew his lords will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. The program began in Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and is now used in churches around the world. You don't have to face alcohol addiction alone, so give us a call today to get started at 888-448-0302. Ive been attending CR (and volunteering on the welcome team ) for about a year. "This is a great place to hold an event. We believe that this program targets the one thing that we all have in commonwe're all messed up in one way or another. I would like to serve Him some other way, in another ministry. 70 percent of the people that attend are not church members because they feel that the churches have let them down. What followed was the fairly usual experienceit was a strange mlange of Aristotle, St. Francis, diverse archangels with odd names, deceased friendssome in purgatory and others doing nicely, thank you! 3525 /nph (be sober, unintoxicated) refers to having presence of mind (clear judgment), enabling someone to be temperate (self-controlled). Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! 12) Having had a spiritual experience as the result of these steps, we try to carry this message to others and practice these principles in all our affairs. I also would not introduce myself as a recovering alcoholic, but rather a recovered alcoholic, as to speak the former would be a lie against the work of the Holy Spirit in my life (1 Cor 6:9-11). I also know many who have never even tempted themselves ever again. Step Two is a rallying point to sanity. His moral teaching-most excellent. Celebrate Recovery is credited with helping destigmatize addiction among evangelicals and opening the church up as a safer place for recovery. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! Are extremely loyal, remaining in harmful situations too long. So, I dont think we really have differing views on this, as you can be led into a church, program or group to share the truth of Gods Word, without necessarily being a partaker in it. Jesus said He came to bring a sword, not peace (Mat 10:34), this means that truth will divide, and the outcome may not be peaceful because of offense. Its not my place to tell others what to do. So, I hope that in sharing the truth with people within AA, you are not identifying with this. Celebrate Recovery is just another type ofSyncretism, as mixes Gods ways with heathen ways. There did not come a time when there was an exception for drunkenness. He partied in college at the University of Missouri and as an officer in the air force, and his drinking habit grew as his career in business took off in his 30s. It wasnt until I became a facilitator that I began questioning the program. The Celebrate Recovery Step Studies use the 12 Steps with their biblical comparisons and the eight principles that are based on the Beatitudes. What does the Bible say about drunkards? This is what I did, as led by the Holy Spirit. All rights reserved. At Saddleback, it became the top outreach ministry, with 70 percent of participants coming from outside the church. We cannot trust our experiences and how we feel as a sole measure of something to be good. From that point on, I cannot recall all that I spoke, however, I remember the power of the Holy Spirit was so strong, that not only did I literally believe that time was stopped for me to speak, but I could feel all the demons around me being held back and I was engulfed in this protective shell. We are called to be in the world, but not of the world. From that point forward, I was actually prohibited from bringing or reading my Bible in the group. The Celebrate Recovery Bible has been designed to work with the resources developed and tested in the national and international ministry of Celebrate Recovery. Official page of Celebrate Recovery. 27). Problems of intellectuality and self-sufficiency. 36If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light. This is why we are told to come out, Be ye separate, Be holy, as He is Holy. Today, when individuals with mental and/or substance use disorders seek help, they are met with the knowledge and belief that anyone can recover and/or manage their conditions successfully. A person could choose Buddha, Allah, Shati, Satan, as well as AA itself. I know, for me, it wasn't hard to recite the 12 steps in solidarity at a . AA was birthed out of what was known as the Oxford Group in the 1930s. What is spiritual awakening? (KJV), Isaiah 8:19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? So, I was immediately led to Acts 2:38, and the Spirit had me to start at repentance. None of these women, spoke to me again, nor did I ever go back to Celebrate Recovery, as my assignment there was done. What does the Bible say about addiction. Jesus must be rescued from a pedestrian and parochial orthodoxy that demands he monopolize the deity.. Both founders, Bill Wilson, and Bob Smith were heavily involved in practicing necromancy, performing seances, using the Ouija board, seeking spirits, and allowing a practice in the occult called automatic writing. Celebrate Recovery is simply AA but with a disguise of a false light, a false gospel and a false Jesus. Celebrate Recovery roots the 12 steps in biblical principles, and its final step charges participants to use their recovery to spread the good news. It is based on the actual words of Jesus rather than psychological theory. See ya, Baker said. I am glad that you found this blog edifying. I read this and the Spirit of God prompted to reply. Then they can turn their lives over to this god as they understand him. Email vriggins@graceclarksville.com. We all have issues that may be interfering with our fellowship . Instead, they have turned to unconventional and esoteric sources in the hopes of finding what they seek in the ambiance of the mystical, magical and metaphysical.1 Given these tendencies, the Jesus of orthodox Christianity may seem inadequate. I brought up that step three goes against the first two of the 10 commandments, and that there shall be no other gods before Him. Start your new life now! First Unitarian Universalist Church & Center. Contrary to what people think, this program is not only for people with alcohol and drug addictions. Do not take the writer of this piece or even my word. From my experience and understanding, the reason why many people have a difficult time coming away from these programs/doctrines is because there is a spiritual bond(stronghold) that has taken place and it must be broken. $5.16 shipping. Creation of C.R. This is my concern also for you, in that you are highly esteeming a program over that of the Word, which is the same spirit that I encountered while attending my last day of CR. 20:2). Moving forward to my last few months at CR, Yah had revealed to me the full truth surrounding AA, as well as the foundation that Celebrate Recovery was built upon. (KJV), When we choose the difficult path, which often leads to affliction, we are choosing to partake in the sufferings of Christ, and this is part of what it means to pick up our cross daily. Celebrate Recovery. A person can not only be intoxicated physically, but also spiritually: Isa 29:9Pause and wonder! Amen brother, you are correct, we cannot be unequally yoked with unbelievers, or mixing light with darkness(2 Cor 6:14). So, it is important to keep ourselves pure from false doctrines and teachers. Theyre always there to help somebody if theyre struggling. Thanks for sharing brother. Gods Word is clear about trying to mix pagan worship or other religions with His. Contact the group directly to see if these are offered. Isnt God sovereign? Self-righteousness. Recovery is not a straight road or an easy fix. While there are many godly and well-meaning people involved at the local Celebrate Recovery, the message has been twisted. Title: Celebrate Recovery 1 CelebrateRecovery! (KJV), Leviticus 20:6And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. Many of C.R.'s teachings are constructed from eisegesis rather than exegesis - misusing Scripture with an erroneous hermeneutic. A new state of consciousness and being is received as a free gift. What partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 2. Baker, Celebrate Recovery Leader's Guide, 12). Negative and positive thinking. Since 2005 we have been to India five times to conduct pastors' conferences and to visit the orphanage we support in Machilipatnam. AA is just another false religion, trying to go in another way: We have no desire to convince anyone that there is only one way by which faith can be acquired(Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book, pg. I can assure you, that it is not the Holy Spirit. Just as those in Acts burned their magic arts, so should the Alateen/Alanon and AA books be destroyed. It is strongly advised that they remain focused on themselves until their sobriety is strong. Embarrassed to receive recognition and praise, or gifts. So, if you are sharing the truth about Gods Word, and how it contradicts the doctrine and spiritual application within AA, then great, but I am not sure how they would allow that to continue if the leaders of AA became known you were speaking out against the program. The ministry has also expanded to serve the incarcerated, as the program became adopted by state prison systems in New Mexico, California, and beyond. The desire of alcohol is a lust of the flesh. Other than that they all denied Him, and His Word, and praised the 12-step program, based upon AA. Do not perceive yourself as lovable and worthwhile. I know what you are implying with sin sickness as it has to do with things I already addressed in my blog and is a strong lie taught within AA/CR. They'll say, "I don't know anybody that doesn't need recovery" where I often chimed in, "I don't know anyone who doesn't need Jesus." for the living to the dead?(KJV). If God can work through the mouth of a mule he can work through anyone he chooses. Live customer service hours are Monday-Friday 8AM-5PM CST [email protected] Call Toll Free: 866.419.7446; His whole purpose of me going there was to gain insight into these areas, help those who He placed across my path, and then expose and confront the lies of it. The magnificent reality. He has taught the Bible and preached in places as varied as Russia, Northern Ireland, Bhutan, and Egypt. Alcoholism is not a disease. (As well as: 1 Thes 5:6, 8, 2 Tim 4:5, 1 Peter 1:13, 1 Peter 4:7). And I believe that somewhere in their journey and even the ones affected from their addiction that they hit a rock bottom. If you are a Christian in recovery and currently attending a twelve step program whether it be Alcoholics Anonymous, Celebrate Recovery, Hunger for Healing or any of the other assortment of spin off programs, please take the time to consider the following information. I say dont throw out the baby with the water. This is why it is so important to know who we are listening to when it comes to worship music, and where that music is originating from. Action its keyword. For those who would like more resources here are some links: http://www.anti-antichrist.com/soap/lanagan.html, http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/aaroots.html, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ (Search for AA).